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		<title>Comment on How cliched is your Christianity? by ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.If you don’t become blind, you will never see. Why do you think Paul was blind for 3 days and 3 nights after his encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus? That was to tell us that we to have got to be brought to that point. The road to Damascus experience is not an exception to the rule, it is the rule. We have all got to be knocked down to our feet and brought to see our blindness.  there are 3000 domination. they all say they see</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.If you don’t become blind, you will never see. Why do you think Paul was blind for 3 days and 3 nights after his encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus? That was to tell us that we to have got to be brought to that point. The road to Damascus experience is not an exception to the rule, it is the rule. We have all got to be knocked down to our feet and brought to see our blindness.  there are 3000 domination. they all say they see</p>
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		<title>Comment on How cliched is your Christianity? by Communion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Communion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a very good thinking, a religion should not narrow down the thinking of a person on the contrary it should be helping the person to develop better thinking. I think that this will without a doubt be termed as something that will indeed help achieve the true meaning of following a religion. Religion should be source to help a person find the truth and not the way to impose the facts to be believed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very good thinking, a religion should not narrow down the thinking of a person on the contrary it should be helping the person to develop better thinking. I think that this will without a doubt be termed as something that will indeed help achieve the true meaning of following a religion. Religion should be source to help a person find the truth and not the way to impose the facts to be believed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introduction by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can You face God’s truth?
If I may, first prefacing that the owner and/or moderators of this forum might actually be believers and therefore might also have the love and patience to allow members to read this topic and think for themselves and in combination with prayer, in order to determine whatever benefit in His name, might be derived from this topic? Otherwise, ‘they’ will not even allow members to view this topic because they can’t face God’s truth in the first place which would mean they are probably not Christians anyway and therefore certainly would not want members to realize the diabolic nature of their forum and then perhaps leave?

However, if you are reading this, the latter may be irrelevant and I pose the following scenario:
Do you think that God doesn’t notice believers are just using the Internet as an excuse to ‘avoid’ Having To Physically Go Into All The World and do what Jesus commands [Mark 16:15-18]? Ergo, most believers aren’t joining forums to serve God or experience fellowship in Christ but rather they just want to start arguments and insult everyone who doesn’t agree with their limited understanding of “God” or even worse and perhaps more likely; they were tempted into a forum by the devil to distract them From God?

i.e. Satan doesn’t want Christians going out In Person into the real world and spreading the gospel and edifying and healing and baptizing etc. and the Internet provides the ideal diversion to excuse believers from actually talking with real people In Person, knocking on people’s doors In Person and laying hands on people etc.? Thus, “forums” created to entice idle lazy disobedient believers to cower behind Alias usernames spewing biblical quotes from ignorance instead of declaring their Real names and going into the Real world and serving God as they Really should be doing? So the devil is quite happy to lure naïve believers into cyberspace, away from the real world and thus keeping them from Doing Those Things in service to God “in person”? And as long as people are distracted on the Internet arguing and bible-bashing each other, the devil doesn’t have to lift a finger to prevent “those believers” from obeying Mark 16:15-18 because they are already neatly trapped in the “Internet” and they may never learn how to truly Walk in Christ? In other words, their faith is so weak that they couldn’t preach anything to anyone In Person even if they wanted to and they probably never even spoke one prayer to God asking him to bless them with the power to go out and interact with people Face-to-Face and obey what Mark 16:15-18 commands and in the end, that neglect could very well cost them their souls?

Too scary for you to believe that might be what’s happening? Are you offended that your forum might not be serving any divine purpose whatsoever and that You might actually have to re-think some things about your faith and biblical interpretation? Shocked that You might need some spiritual correcting or you may actually be lost again? Well I hope you are shocked or at least concerned because that might mean you actually Do Care To Know if you’re believing and doing the right thing in Jesus’ name and that you do want to Listen and Learn and grow in Christ like the rest of us foolish wretches? And maybe you will now pray for God to show you what your true good works might be and bless you to properly serve his will, not Yours? Rather than anonymously prancing around in a forum trying to impress someone with your biblical knowledge because you’re afraid to face the real world in His name? Or like believers who segregate themselves in forums by denomination, as if to advertise that they might somehow be better Christians than non-denominational followers or that Adventists might somehow be better Christians than Protestants or Catholics might somehow be better Christians than Anglicans or Christadelphians might somehow be better Christians than Lutherans or Baptists might somehow be better Christians than Evangelicals etc. etc. etc.? But there it is! We now have thousands of believers that have migrated to the Internet wagging their uncontrollable tongues (James 3:8) in the vacuum of cyberspace and pretending to be warriors for God but in reality, they are merely deluding themselves? And for all You know, the devil’s minions created the forum You are babbling in and the yolk is on you? ;) Don’t believe it? If you can’t, then you are ignorant because I’ve witnessed so-called Christian forums where the moderators are actually atheist or worse perhaps and so the joke was indeed on “those believers who participated”.

But what do I know? Anyway, kudos to those responsible for this forum if this topic actually survived their screening process thus allowing members to read it? notwithstanding, I do question the advent of forums and the motives of those who create since, if for no other reason, that the ‘nature’ of a forum does not promote love and patience but rather conflict, hatred and impatience in my experience with forums. So if anyone thinks I’m here looking for forum buddies, friends or pals, let me be perfectly clear. God willing, I’m compelled to be here mainly to WARN those believers who may have been lured here by the evil one and/or inadvertently; about the danger of forums and the Internet! Period.

And whether or not the creators of these forums had good intentions, I have witnessed far too much evil in each and every forum I participated in. Without exception, Each and Every so-called Christian forum proved to be little more than a chaotic hostile vehicle for judgmental, hateful, ignorant administrators and moderators trying to play God instead of ‘facing God’s truth’ and obeying God and most members responded in kind because most people weren’t there out of love and patience to blamelessly, harmlessly debate Christianity and perhaps learn something and grow in Him. Quite the contrary, they were there to fight and argue their “limited understanding of God” at any cost and when the Mods/Admins couldn’t support their opinions and/or felt threatened to perhaps being exposed as false brethren, they just removed the topics and banned anyone who didn’t kneel to their rhetoric and man-made rules. Which means they aren’t ‘forums’ in the first place because people weren’t allowed to freely and honestly debate or discuss anything. ;)

So I guess we’ll soon find out if this forum operates similarly and if believers here put God’s Laws first instead of man-contrived-forum-rules? As well, I won’t be posting any further comments nor responding publically to anyone’s threads in this forum either because I’m not here to debate anything with anyone especially in an almost certain ungodly atmosphere like ‘this’ and so as to then perhaps be accused of lending credence to any otherwise legitimate Internet platforms let alone “so-called Christian forums”? I’ve already learned my lesson God willing, about the evil of the “Internet” and those human resources who would perpetrate evil there. Indeed, I’m genuinely repulsed now just ‘joining’ any of these forums in order to “warn” those whom God may wish to be warned? I may not even have any divine purpose for being on the Internet myself but in the event that just one person is saved by doing so, then it was absolutely worth the effort. Hallelujah!

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can You face God’s truth?<br />
If I may, first prefacing that the owner and/or moderators of this forum might actually be believers and therefore might also have the love and patience to allow members to read this topic and think for themselves and in combination with prayer, in order to determine whatever benefit in His name, might be derived from this topic? Otherwise, ‘they’ will not even allow members to view this topic because they can’t face God’s truth in the first place which would mean they are probably not Christians anyway and therefore certainly would not want members to realize the diabolic nature of their forum and then perhaps leave?</p>
<p>However, if you are reading this, the latter may be irrelevant and I pose the following scenario:<br />
Do you think that God doesn’t notice believers are just using the Internet as an excuse to ‘avoid’ Having To Physically Go Into All The World and do what Jesus commands [Mark 16:15-18]? Ergo, most believers aren’t joining forums to serve God or experience fellowship in Christ but rather they just want to start arguments and insult everyone who doesn’t agree with their limited understanding of “God” or even worse and perhaps more likely; they were tempted into a forum by the devil to distract them From God?</p>
<p>i.e. Satan doesn’t want Christians going out In Person into the real world and spreading the gospel and edifying and healing and baptizing etc. and the Internet provides the ideal diversion to excuse believers from actually talking with real people In Person, knocking on people’s doors In Person and laying hands on people etc.? Thus, “forums” created to entice idle lazy disobedient believers to cower behind Alias usernames spewing biblical quotes from ignorance instead of declaring their Real names and going into the Real world and serving God as they Really should be doing? So the devil is quite happy to lure naïve believers into cyberspace, away from the real world and thus keeping them from Doing Those Things in service to God “in person”? And as long as people are distracted on the Internet arguing and bible-bashing each other, the devil doesn’t have to lift a finger to prevent “those believers” from obeying Mark 16:15-18 because they are already neatly trapped in the “Internet” and they may never learn how to truly Walk in Christ? In other words, their faith is so weak that they couldn’t preach anything to anyone In Person even if they wanted to and they probably never even spoke one prayer to God asking him to bless them with the power to go out and interact with people Face-to-Face and obey what Mark 16:15-18 commands and in the end, that neglect could very well cost them their souls?</p>
<p>Too scary for you to believe that might be what’s happening? Are you offended that your forum might not be serving any divine purpose whatsoever and that You might actually have to re-think some things about your faith and biblical interpretation? Shocked that You might need some spiritual correcting or you may actually be lost again? Well I hope you are shocked or at least concerned because that might mean you actually Do Care To Know if you’re believing and doing the right thing in Jesus’ name and that you do want to Listen and Learn and grow in Christ like the rest of us foolish wretches? And maybe you will now pray for God to show you what your true good works might be and bless you to properly serve his will, not Yours? Rather than anonymously prancing around in a forum trying to impress someone with your biblical knowledge because you’re afraid to face the real world in His name? Or like believers who segregate themselves in forums by denomination, as if to advertise that they might somehow be better Christians than non-denominational followers or that Adventists might somehow be better Christians than Protestants or Catholics might somehow be better Christians than Anglicans or Christadelphians might somehow be better Christians than Lutherans or Baptists might somehow be better Christians than Evangelicals etc. etc. etc.? But there it is! We now have thousands of believers that have migrated to the Internet wagging their uncontrollable tongues (James 3:8) in the vacuum of cyberspace and pretending to be warriors for God but in reality, they are merely deluding themselves? And for all You know, the devil’s minions created the forum You are babbling in and the yolk is on you? <img src='http://www.churchchallenge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Don’t believe it? If you can’t, then you are ignorant because I’ve witnessed so-called Christian forums where the moderators are actually atheist or worse perhaps and so the joke was indeed on “those believers who participated”.</p>
<p>But what do I know? Anyway, kudos to those responsible for this forum if this topic actually survived their screening process thus allowing members to read it? notwithstanding, I do question the advent of forums and the motives of those who create since, if for no other reason, that the ‘nature’ of a forum does not promote love and patience but rather conflict, hatred and impatience in my experience with forums. So if anyone thinks I’m here looking for forum buddies, friends or pals, let me be perfectly clear. God willing, I’m compelled to be here mainly to WARN those believers who may have been lured here by the evil one and/or inadvertently; about the danger of forums and the Internet! Period.</p>
<p>And whether or not the creators of these forums had good intentions, I have witnessed far too much evil in each and every forum I participated in. Without exception, Each and Every so-called Christian forum proved to be little more than a chaotic hostile vehicle for judgmental, hateful, ignorant administrators and moderators trying to play God instead of ‘facing God’s truth’ and obeying God and most members responded in kind because most people weren’t there out of love and patience to blamelessly, harmlessly debate Christianity and perhaps learn something and grow in Him. Quite the contrary, they were there to fight and argue their “limited understanding of God” at any cost and when the Mods/Admins couldn’t support their opinions and/or felt threatened to perhaps being exposed as false brethren, they just removed the topics and banned anyone who didn’t kneel to their rhetoric and man-made rules. Which means they aren’t ‘forums’ in the first place because people weren’t allowed to freely and honestly debate or discuss anything. <img src='http://www.churchchallenge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So I guess we’ll soon find out if this forum operates similarly and if believers here put God’s Laws first instead of man-contrived-forum-rules? As well, I won’t be posting any further comments nor responding publically to anyone’s threads in this forum either because I’m not here to debate anything with anyone especially in an almost certain ungodly atmosphere like ‘this’ and so as to then perhaps be accused of lending credence to any otherwise legitimate Internet platforms let alone “so-called Christian forums”? I’ve already learned my lesson God willing, about the evil of the “Internet” and those human resources who would perpetrate evil there. Indeed, I’m genuinely repulsed now just ‘joining’ any of these forums in order to “warn” those whom God may wish to be warned? I may not even have any divine purpose for being on the Internet myself but in the event that just one person is saved by doing so, then it was absolutely worth the effort. Hallelujah!</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>Comment on Doctrine: What&#8217;s the point? by NegOs Aser LaAdamas</title>
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		<dc:creator>NegOs Aser LaAdamas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 13:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Godhead, Godhood , matt.3 chp. rom.1;20, acts 17;29, col.2;6,9, Gen.1;1,2.This teaching is only complex because of tergiversational,nefarious,silver gross, diamond mind, comatose,innoculated,obstinated about truth that cause them to.----- matt.22;29.Delusionary mindset are those who love man teaching above God,s 2thess. 1;1-12. Prov. 1;chp talks about a simple mind hate true and delight in opinionated concepts.Anything dogmatic, without facts or true. Very naive and gullible to follower institutionalized leader.Judas goats for Satan.1tim.1;7,2tim.3;7,heb.5;12.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Godhead, Godhood , matt.3 chp. rom.1;20, acts 17;29, col.2;6,9, Gen.1;1,2.This teaching is only complex because of tergiversational,nefarious,silver gross, diamond mind, comatose,innoculated,obstinated about truth that cause them to.&#8212;&#8211; matt.22;29.Delusionary mindset are those who love man teaching above God,s 2thess. 1;1-12. Prov. 1;chp talks about a simple mind hate true and delight in opinionated concepts.Anything dogmatic, without facts or true. Very naive and gullible to follower institutionalized leader.Judas goats for Satan.1tim.1;7,2tim.3;7,heb.5;12.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by NegOs Aser LaAdamas</title>
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		<dc:creator>NegOs Aser LaAdamas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 22:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Churchchallenge.com is a stiminlating title. The doctrine trinity is an interesting one. Trinity is biblically taught[rom.1;20.The question is how is it biblically taught? Some say three in one person with different titles, some say three but the holy spirit is an element of force. So what does the bible teach, Gen.1;1 say God created the heaven and earth. The word elohim meaning one and another plu.form. Then in Gen.1;26 God says less us made man.Who was the us. First of all the spirit[holy spirit] move upon the face of the water.Gen.1.2.  Now john 1;1 So God,s word was there with God in the beginning. His name was called word in the beginning? Read John 1;14 word made ,begotten of the father,full of grace and true. John 1;17.Jesus in the beginning of creation was called word. The Godhead in three different design were there.The Father ,Son[word] and the holy spirit. Matt. 3 chp. at christ,s baptism. All three were there. The father spoke from heaven. christ was in a type of flesh, the holy spirit was in the form of a dove on christ,s shoulder. The word is very lucid on this matter.The true is there your option to believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Churchchallenge.com is a stiminlating title. The doctrine trinity is an interesting one. Trinity is biblically taught[rom.1;20.The question is how is it biblically taught? Some say three in one person with different titles, some say three but the holy spirit is an element of force. So what does the bible teach, Gen.1;1 say God created the heaven and earth. The word elohim meaning one and another plu.form. Then in Gen.1;26 God says less us made man.Who was the us. First of all the spirit[holy spirit] move upon the face of the water.Gen.1.2.  Now john 1;1 So God,s word was there with God in the beginning. His name was called word in the beginning? Read John 1;14 word made ,begotten of the father,full of grace and true. John 1;17.Jesus in the beginning of creation was called word. The Godhead in three different design were there.The Father ,Son[word] and the holy spirit. Matt. 3 chp. at christ,s baptism. All three were there. The father spoke from heaven. christ was in a type of flesh, the holy spirit was in the form of a dove on christ,s shoulder. The word is very lucid on this matter.The true is there your option to believe it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introduction by Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 08:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to say that i too challenge the doctrine of the church as being sure. I believe there are alot of misconceptions and interpretations being taught in the church which brings stagnation and/or lack to believers and unbelievers alike. Things such as the concept of the trinity, jesus being god, and the teachings of salvation being only possible upon going to a building to worship, giving monies to support the building necessity, and needing someone to guide you into heaven. I have questioned these beliefs and have only recieved an answer of &#039;because the bible says so&#039; and have+been+shown+the+door+because+of+my+lack+of+faith.+I+believe+that+god+is+love+and+is+as+omnipotent+and+omnipresent+as+the+church+teaches+he+is,+meaning+he+is+able+in+and+of+his+own+accord+to+guide+me+into+his+truth+without+the+aid+of+&#039;leader&#039;.+I+believe+jesus+is+the+son+of+god,+just+as+he+says,+and+what+makes+him+and+his+father+one+is+their+shared+understanding+of+love+and+how+to+express+love+properly,+hence+the+title+son+of+god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to say that i too challenge the doctrine of the church as being sure. I believe there are alot of misconceptions and interpretations being taught in the church which brings stagnation and/or lack to believers and unbelievers alike. Things such as the concept of the trinity, jesus being god, and the teachings of salvation being only possible upon going to a building to worship, giving monies to support the building necessity, and needing someone to guide you into heaven. I have questioned these beliefs and have only recieved an answer of &#8216;because the bible says so&#8217; and have+been+shown+the+door+because+of+my+lack+of+faith.+I+believe+that+god+is+love+and+is+as+omnipotent+and+omnipresent+as+the+church+teaches+he+is,+meaning+he+is+able+in+and+of+his+own+accord+to+guide+me+into+his+truth+without+the+aid+of+&#8217;leader&#8217;.+I+believe+jesus+is+the+son+of+god,+just+as+he+says,+and+what+makes+him+and+his+father+one+is+their+shared+understanding+of+love+and+how+to+express+love+properly,+hence+the+title+son+of+god.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Doctrine: What&#8217;s the point? by hopeful</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopeful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed this conversation, but perhaps it is good that I did.  I do not have too much to add except a flurry of words.  We don&#039;t ever seem to have a problem with those. :)

The key here is figuring out what truly is a highlight, or vital doctrinal point, and what is not.  The Trinity was mentioned as something that could be questionably a highlight (or arguably not).  I think the doctrine is important because it relates to our conception of God and our misconceptions of God impact our ability to serve Him.  I can see the other arguments as well, though.

One that gets me is end-times teaching.  I do not see how most end-times doctrine can or should be considered foundational except in as much as it reflects other beliefs.  How does being pre-mil, post-trib, or a preterist have anything to do with the reality of your salvation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed this conversation, but perhaps it is good that I did.  I do not have too much to add except a flurry of words.  We don&#8217;t ever seem to have a problem with those. <img src='http://www.churchchallenge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The key here is figuring out what truly is a highlight, or vital doctrinal point, and what is not.  The Trinity was mentioned as something that could be questionably a highlight (or arguably not).  I think the doctrine is important because it relates to our conception of God and our misconceptions of God impact our ability to serve Him.  I can see the other arguments as well, though.</p>
<p>One that gets me is end-times teaching.  I do not see how most end-times doctrine can or should be considered foundational except in as much as it reflects other beliefs.  How does being pre-mil, post-trib, or a preterist have anything to do with the reality of your salvation?</p>
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