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    Does your church promote Spectators or Participants?
    Posted on Thursday, April 26 @ 01:46:04 EDT
    Topic: Liturgy (Church Service)
    A random discussion looking at individual and group involvement in the church service and brainstorming about ways to conduct a more inclusive time of worship.



    Christian: I ran across a website today that explained in great detail practices and beliefs of the Neopagan religion Wicca. After setting aside the fear ingrained in me regarding such occultic practices, I was very intrigued by the perspective and feelings of Wiccans. One in particular caused me to seriously think about the way we order our church services in Christianity. On this web site, the Wiccans explained why so many teenagers are running away from Christianity and embracing Wicca instead. One of the reasons cited explained that in Wiccan ceremonies, everyone actively participates in every aspect of the meeting, unlike Christian churches. The ceremony is a communal effort through and through. I was genuinely drawn to that notion. I want to be a part of something like that! It got me thinking...have we given the impression that a certain number of people are involved in the spiritual aspects of our services and the rest of us come to passively attend or help out in medial tasks? To what extent do we allow for each other to actively be involved in a spiritual sense in our church services?

    Faithful:  In my opinion, we certainly do need more interaction and involvement in church amongst ALL believers.  The key regarding this is to do it in such a way that you are opening doors, not closing them.  I think much of what happens when people in the church try to involve other people is that there is a sentiment that "Well, this is my job, and that's their job.  I'm not going to do their job, and they had better not do mine."  Rather than establishing boundaries when including people, an extra effort needs to be made to be inclusive.  I've been doing a bit of brainstorming on the topic, and here are a few off-the-top-of-my-head ideas.   Take them or leave them, but at least put your brain in gear and think.  :)   (Some might be contradictory, but hey, you get what you pay for with brainstorms)

    1. Consider organizing in such a way that there is a regular rotation to do all sorts of things involved in a service.  For instance, if your church has a "prayer team" that regularly prays with people after/during the service or whatever, then do what you can to a) expand the number of people in the prayer team and b) make sure everyone knows that if they feel like "joining in" or whatever, to PLEASE do so.   After all, the goal is to promote inclusion and involvement, not separation and competition.
    2. Congregational readings?  I know this is sort of out-of-vogue in many churches, but perhaps if it were brought back and done with passion (which is my greatest criticism... the stuff is read like it's meaningless), it might add a greater feeling of unity among the church.
    3. Keep It Simple.  I think we try too hard.  Do what's natural.  God uses the natural world to achieve supernatural results.
    4. Think outside the box.  Last I checked, God doesn't live inside of boxes... so why do we?

    Hopeful:  It seems to me that issues such as this rely greatly upon the audience. A person would be hard pressed to prove that one level of participation in church is better or more spiritual than another. This would seem to be dependant upon the demographic that would be participating. In general, though, I would agree that church should be made more participatory if only to make it more enjoyable. This might even discourage the napping that so many do in those Sunday morning meetings. Who knows.

    Faithful:  Heh, too true.  It would be nice if the church would give at least some thought toward the matter, though.

    Christian: I think it would be cool for evangelical churches to have a liturgy of sorts...recited readings and prayers, etc. (If people in the congregation don't want to participate, that's their choice.) I don't think the spiritual "deadness" or drudgery necessarily has to come along with the package. After all, take another look at the Wiccans--they have spells that they chant together...they all say the same thing together...no music...just words...and for them it's not drudgery. Why can't we do the same thing in our churches?

    There is one difference--Wiccans believe there is something "magical" that happens when they say those words. But in our churches, we don't believe in formulas. Although, we do believe that when we exercise faith in unity, we "get God's attention," so to speak. So the question remains: Is there a way we can exercise faith together during a larger percentage of the service time than just singing a few songs? Why don't we recite prayers together and declare God's Word together? If we don't do this, I might as well stay home, kick in a praise and worship CD, open up the Bible, listen to a preacher on the radio, and pray for awhile on Sunday mornings instead. Why do we meet together anyway? To go out to eat with our friends after church (before noon, preferably)?

    Hopeful: I think that there are good and bad points to the idea of recitations. As Christian mentions, popularly accepted Christian belief (aside from the Catholic "Hail Mary," etc) is that these recitations do not have any power just from the fact that they are recited. I think that there is generally a good deal of audience participation in a church service, though. You can almost view a song service as a recitation put to music. Again, I believe that a good portion of how this is approached will have more to do with the demographic in question than anything else.

    The purpose of church is probably as much for the fellowship with other Christians as anything else. This is not a bad thing, just not a very commonly recognized thing.

    Christian: Sure, the song service is a recitation of sorts, but it's only one facet of the service. The majority of the service is still out of the perimeters of the congregation. I understand Hopeful's concern with demographics, but I'd say that almost all of the people who wouldn't want to participate more are those who have been in our churches for quite a long time. So should we tailor our services to them, when they're only concerned about their comfort and anonymity in church? Or should we tailor our services to those who want to be part of a body and work together to achieve something when they meet? Let the lazy meet together however they feel comfortable...perhaps those of us who would like to see a shift in overall participation just need to start something ourselves if church people won't budge? But who wants another denomination starting up? I guess we could have our own Saturday night service or something instead...

    So what do you think?


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    Re: Does your church promote Spectators or Participants? (Score: 1)
    by Cephas on Thursday, April 26 @ 16:17:31 EDT
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    What a great discussion topic! I myself have always enjoyed participating in the services of the Episcopal church, be it tending the altar as acolyte, reading the Bible lesson as layreader, singing anthems as a member of the choir, or simply reciting prayers out loud as a congregant. Recently, however, as my fervor for Christianity has increased, my contentment with the same liturgy every Sunday has decreased -- in other words, I've gotten bored. I say the words, but it's hard to concentrate on them because I've said them so many times. And these are good words! Episcopal liturgy has the advantage in that it allows the congregation to participate in what I think is a meaningful way, through prayers and recitations of creeds, as well as providing a solid foundation of faith by remaining consistent from week to week, but it is easy for such a liturgy to stagnate in our minds, especially the wandering minds of the young. ;)

    So to sum up that first thought, liturgy a la the Episcopal church is a good way to participate in the service, but while it can be a great comfort to the weary who are in need of a solid base, it can often be constraining -- even boring -- to those who are looking to reach out more. This divides church-goers into two groups: those who come to the church for spiritual healing, quiet, and calming ritual, and those who come to the church to work together as the Body of Christ to accomplish what they couldn't individually. I think we should have separate services for each group.

    Now, this latter group of people is probably mostly interested in outreach, for which the Church provides other venues outside of the Sunday morning service; however, another important part of the Church should be the sharing of Christ with other members, in a very similar way to this very forum. To facilitate that, I believe that we should have another service, run by a small, rotating group of people who write the prayers, give the sermon, choose the songs, etc -- all with the help of the vestry/elders/ministers, of course. That way, a different group of people each Sunday can share their thoughts and feelings on Christ with the rest of the congregation. Of course, there might already be a church that does this -- I'm not that familiar with denominations outside Episcopalianism and Catholicism.

    Thoughts?

    -Cephas

    Re: Does your church promote Spectators or Participants? (Score: 1)
    by revpete on Friday, June 08 @ 15:03:00 EDT
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    I've often tried to come up with another way to get more people involved in our services. One thing we do is instead of taking prayer requests and having the preacher or some other person pray for everything, is to let each person pray for their own request and encourage everyone to agree with them. It works well in a small congregation but can get long as your congregation grows.

    A friend of mine who pastors a larger church says that he has people break up into groups of 10-12 and they pray for their requests in that group.

    We also encourage testimonies of what the Lord has done for you recently. Again this works well in the smaller congregation but can get very long as your church grows. I guess when we out grow our facility, I would rather start another church a few miles away with 30-50 of our members and encourage it to grow with our support than to become a mega church that loses that personal touch with the pastor.



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